Occupy Melbourne, Tents and Sexual Assault
After a brief twitter exchange, I feel moved to
Before we start: My goal here is to have a reasonable discourse and I hope that you’ll read on in that spirit. I am white and male and fairly privileged, and I try not to let that colour my opinion too much. I also try to be a man of science and reason, and I definitely let that colour my opinion as much as I can. I am not out to besmirch anyone, I don’t hate women, I don’t hate police, I don’t hate anyone (in fact I love most people) and if I go on to offend you, it was probably accidental. Unless you deserved it.
(Because Twitter is a terrible medium for having srs conversashuns)
Background (As I Understand It — Please Correct Me If I’m Wrong)
Some #occupymelbourne protesters were camping in Flagstaff Gardens, and to try and skirt bylaws prohibiting structures (which apparently include tents), they gussied the tents up as outfits. Which I think is commendably clever, but apparently not enough to satisfy the legal beagles.
The police raided Flagstaff, and gave plenty of warning that tents — whether or not they be worn as clothing — were considered structures for the purposes of certain council by-laws (which largely exist to enforce health and sanitation standards) and would need to go. Again according the police account, protesters were given warning over a number of days.
When the fuzz showed (according to reports) several of the protesters moved along, but one particular protester chose not to budge. The young lady in question was apparently not wearing clothing under the tent. Again according to police reports, she was offered some time to clothe herself. She apparently did not or could not do so. She was (apparently) again warned, and when she refused to comply, had the tent forcibly removed from her person (in a most distressing manner).
Key Points (As I See Them)
- Most importantly: Using knives to cut something off a young female protester seems extremely heavy-handed and ill-advised (or, worse, unethical and illegal). I hope that investigations related to the subsequently levelled at the police will bring to light the exact circumstances around this case and that any wrong-doing will be appropriately addressed. However: I was not there, and for most people reading this — neither were you.
- I have yet to see comment from anyone who was actually there for the whole series of events. A lot of the commentary I’m seeing on Twitter and blogs seems at best second hand and at worst complete hearsay. People: you don’t get to just pull an opinion out of a hat and argue it vociferously as if it were fact based on something you didn’t witness in full yourself. That’s what the bloody religious right do. We need to establish facts and then discuss those — calmly and rationally. I’m not seeing a lot of facts. Or a lot of rationality.
- Think it through. Many of these laws exist for a reason. It’s not because “The Man” is out to get you. Most of the people who made those laws are people very similar to yourselves. Sometimes the laws are fundamentally flawed and should be opposed. I do not believe “no tents in Flagstaff Gardens” qualifies as such a law. We have bigger battles to fight.
- In my mind, pitching a tent for days/weeks on end isn’t “peaceably assembling”. It’s camping, which brings with it issues of health and sanitation that need to be addressed.
- You can’t just pitch a tent anywhere you want to in Australia. This is (and I hesitate to use the term, but here goes) common knowledge. You can camp in designated camping grounds. This is a sanitation requirement and to me, seems reasonably okay as laws go. Crash on a mate’s couch, come back in the morning! (Right?)
- Individuals were (apparently) warned, repeatedly, over the course of several days, that the tents (as the colloquialism goes) would not fly. If this is the case — precisely what was their expectation, and what skill did they display in working around these by-laws?
- I’m a little confused as to comments about “institutionalised sexism and misogyny” in regards to this event given that there were male and female officers and council workers present. Having met some female police officers, I would challenge you to call them sexist or misogynist to their faces. In my experience they are not. YMMV, but it seems like a sweeping generalisation with little basis in fact.
- Camping out doesn’t seem the most effective way to protest, to me. The point of a protest is to get public mindshare, and to do that you get in people’s faces. Personal experience tells me that at 11pm-6am on a Tuesday/Wednesday is a pretty dead time in Flagstaff Gardens and does not accomplish the goals of protesting.
- Comments on the Internet are fucking terrible things. Rational people can and should choose to ignore them liberally, because still holds true (and probably always will). Picking and choosing from Internet comments and comments from spokespeople seems slightly disingenous and non-productive (“assholes gunna asshole”).
- The police officers and council workers involved thus far seem entirely silent (and will probably remain so given that an investigation is pending). I’m hesitant to base any opinion on just one side of the story, no matter who they are or how well intentioned. (This seems like a rational response to me?)
I’ve deliberately avoided commenting on #occupymelbourne in general and tried to confine my post to this specific event which — again — I was not there for, and except in a notable few cases, neither were you.
To sum up my position: the video is harrowing and the situation seems like a nasty one, and it’s quite possible that a young lady was wronged. It’s also quite possible that she was complicit in the events that transpired by her refusal to obey some fairly reasonable requests. The situation is far more complex and subtle than pundits are giving credit and jumping on the “OMG SEXUAL ASSAULT” bandwagon seems (to me) unreasonable and ill-advised.
TL;DR: STORM IN A FUCKING TEACUP GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSES AND LET’S GET SOME FACTS UP INS PLZ
December 7th, 2011 at 1:52 am
I will say you have raised some interesting points.
I am interested why only a video of a female protester was posted up on you tube and not the others. I myself want to know if there is one why was this not posted up to.Mind you saying that I am sure the courts will look at this and take things like that into account. If there was not one why only appear to target a female. There is definitely way more to this I would say both sides. I would say some critical thinking is required here for outsiders not just you or me but all who were not present even those who were.
Lets hope with a thorough investigation some facts are presented. That there is some resolution to this event.
Also please keep in mind some women can be triggered by watching the video or even being present it may look harrowing and not like a sexual assault to yourself but this is a touchy area as well. I am not saying it is or it is not just a thing to think about.
Information regarding sexual assault.
(* Someone touching, fondling, kissing or making any unwanted contact with your body;)
This is listed near the end called Overview.
It does not have to mean all of them just one is enough.
If it gets to the court system further evidence I expect might be presented then.
I agree with you until more things come to light regarding this situation it is difficult to make a judgment call, in fact I cant as I was not there but that does not mean people can’t discuss it. I think these situations are good to helps with wider understanding of issues.Twitter is not the best platform.
I can see how the protesters used the tents as a sort of costume. I have issue with the fact they removed the tent off her and just walked away surely they could have arrested her and others? I would not say she was complicent naïve and young possibly.
I take it you have read this blog then by Erin White ?
I feel that she raises some really good points.
December 21st, 2011 at 5:24 am
This is crap. This girl has been running around the movement dressed half naked, making A LOT of friends with boys and men, sleeping in the park, running around like its a party.
She loves this attention, cops know what she is like, anyone who has been to three GA’s has seen this girl and knows shes a bit..not all there.
She was trying to be clever and it backfired, would anyone care if it was a guy the same age in his boxers? No, once again it just the occupy movement is nothing but a movement thats genderist and racist and about jealousy of the rich. Women have ruined this movement, turned it into a man vs women thing and the group is laden with sexual subtexts, time to grow up hippies.